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Hello, everyone.

In my humble opinion, Crooks & Liars is the most moronic, most asinine website on the Net. Yet, once in a while even they have something of value on their page. This was the case last Wednesday, 6/20/12. Representative Al Green, Democrat from Texas, had the courage and guts to say something that DESPERATELY needed to be said. There was a video included in this story, and I wanted to provide a transcript of the audio. However, the real gist of his remarks is included in the story. Here it is, with a few comments at the end.

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June 20, 2012 11:30 AM

During Anti-Muslim Hearing, Dem Calls for ‘Hearing on the Radicalization of Christians’

By David

Texas Congressman Al Green (D) says he wouldn’t mind Rep. Peter King (R-NY) repeatedly calling hearings on “radical Islam” if he would also conduct a “hearing on the radicalizationof Christians.”

During a Wednesday House Homeland Security Committee hearingon “The Radicalization of Muslim-Americans,” Green wondered why the chairman had only focused on one religion.

“If you agree that radicalization exists within all religions to some extent, would you kindly extend a hand into the air,” Green, who is the grandson of a Christian minister, asked the witnesses testifying before the committee. He noted that “all the hands are raised.”

“I don’t think that most people oppose hearings on radicalization,” the congressman explained. “I do not, not — N-O-T — oppose hearings on radicalization. I do oppose hearings that don’t focus on the entirety of radicalization. And if you agree that we have Christians, as has been mentioned by more than one member, Christians who become radicalized, they become part of Islam and they become radicalized as is being said, why not have a hearing on the radicalization of Christians?”

He added: “I do think that it is a problem of perception. People who see the hearings and never hear about the hearing on the radicalization of Christianity have to ask themselves, ‘Why is this missing?’ Why don’t we go to the next step and ask, how is that a blue-eyed, blonde-haired, white female in the United States of America can become radicalized to the point of wanting to do harm to this country? We don’t have that type of hearing. That’s the problem.”

Green pointed out that he had often been mistaken for a Muslim because of his appearance.

“I do know what it feels like to look like a Muslim in the minds of some people and to be demeaned in a public venue,” he said. “I look forward to the day that we’ll have that hearing that dealswith the radicalization of Christians in America.”

An analysis(PDF) by Council on American-Islamic Relations of King’s first four hearings on Islamic radicalization determined that the chairman had “failed to produce the promised evidence to support his stigmatization of America’s Muslims.”

“King’s record of leveling unsubstantiated allegations and biased attacks on the Muslim community and habit of naming people with records of anti-Muslim bias as potential witnesses and information sources denies him any current credibility in discussions about American Muslims and homeland security,” the group concluded.


And the radical Christians..

Blue Lensman — 6/20/12 2:09pm

..pose a far greater threat in these parts. They don’t even attempt to hide the fact that they “target” particular organizations and people.

So Relieved

Terypat — 6/20/12 3:18pm

That Texas has at least one congress person that is not insane.

Kudos to Congressman Al Green

Ape-Man — 6/20/12 3:19pm

Kudos to Congressman Al Green (D). I hope that radical King guy will widen his focus to include radicals of all religions.

“Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob”
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

If anyone on Capitol Hill

Comrade Misfit — 6/20/12 4:19pm

If anyone on Capitol Hill knows anything about supporting terrorist groups, it is Rep. Peter King (R-NY), for that is what he was doing during the Troubles in Northern Ireland. He pretty much was the congressman for the IRA.

Christians are lizards.vwho cares what they say.

fucksnickityClam — 6/20/12 5:08pm

Ignorance is parent to religion.

Religion is parent to Hate.

yes, we know this.

cpinva — 6/20/12 5:34pm

“King’s record of leveling unsubstantiated allegations and biased attacks on the Muslim community and habit of naming people with records of anti-Muslim bias as potential witnesses and information sources denies him any current credibility in discussions about American Muslims and homeland security,” the group concluded.

strangely enough, this seems to have completely escaped the attention of the MSM. you’d think, with as much noise as rep. king has made about these hearings, some intrepid young reporter for the nyt’s, or wapo would be right on this story. and yet…………………..crickets.

Many Christians Prefer Radical Muslims

True Blue Liberal — 6/20/12 5:38pm

Take a look at the beliefs and fantasies of many Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christian denominations and see if those groups aren’t looking for the end of the world to come with a scenario to be played out in the Middle East where millions will be slaughtered to make way for the return of Jesus. I’m sure more than a few of these religious fanatics are peeing their pants in anticipation of a war with Iran and whoever else in the so called “Holy Land” (an area smaller than many U.S. counties) to begin. In fact, for this crowd, the sooner the better. See how many prominent conservative Americans you can list who make frequent trips to Israel in nervous anticipation of whatever violence is going on in Gaza, or the next Israeli invasion of Lebanon. The more tension, the better the Fun DULL Mentalists and Evan JELLY Calls love it. All this to fulfill the death wishes of a bunch of religious fanatics, to include the radical Muslim mob and the Jewish crowd over on the West Bank.

Now a couple of commenty on a couple of comments.

1.”Christians are lizards.who cares what they say.”

I sure the Sam Hill don’t!!

Ignorance is parent to religion.

Religion is parent to Hate.”

True on both counts. It has been my personal experience and observation that the most ignorant Christians are the very ones who hate the most. As I said before, I left Evangelicalism because I simply got my gut full of all the venom and hate I saw and experienced.

2.”…I’m sure more than a few of these religious fanatics are peeing their pants in anticipation of a war with Iran and whoever else in the so called “Holy Land” (an area smaller than many U.S. counties) to begin….”

Peeing their pants? Hell! They’re SHITTING their pants!! Remember in the 2008 campaign when Johnny McCain was going around singing, “Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran?” In my book, that was a behavior that was more than a trifle puerile, coming from a guy who wanted to be the president of my country. And YES! it IS MY country, even though I’m just a peon, one of the little guys. (Or should that be “pee on”?)

So what causes this Republican / Evangelical thirsting for and whoring after war in the Middle East” Some of it DOES have to do with the return of “Jesus” – hereafter, “The Jeez.” But not all of it. A good part of it comes from the Republican / Evangelical belief that Israel can do no wrong. In other words, to them, “my country, right or wrong” applies to Israel regardless, and to the United States, as long as it sucks up to the Jews.

But is such a view even correct? I’ll answer that one with another question: Do you remember the Six-Day War in June of 1967? I do. I was in Kansas City looking for a summer job, and I remember both that trip and that war.

During that war, Israel perpetrated an unwarranted act of aggression against the United States. On the website, there is an essay about the Israeli aggression towards the US. That essay is ‘The USS Liberty’: America’s Most Shameful Secret” by Eric S. Margolis. Here is a part of the essay.

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The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II.

 Less than an hour after the attack, Israel told Washington its forces had committed a ‘tragic error.’ [COMMENT: “Tragic error,” my Aunt Frances!!] Later, Israel claimed it had mistaken ‘Liberty’ for an ancient Egyptian horse transport. US Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, and Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Thomas Moorer, insisted the Israeli attack was deliberate and designed to sink ‘Liberty.’ So did three CIA reports; one asserted Israel’s Defense Minister, Gen. Moshe Dayan, had personally ordered the attack.

In contrast to American outrage over North Korea’s assault on the intelligence ship ‘Pueblo,’ Iraq’s mistaken missile strike on the USS ‘Stark,’ last fall’s bombing of the USS ‘Cole’ in Aden, and the recent US-China air incident, the savaging of ‘Liberty’ was quickly hushed up by President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara.

The White House and Congress immediately accepted Israel’s explanation and let the matter drop. Israel later paid a token reparation of US $6 million. There were reports two Israeli pilots who had refused to attack ‘Liberty’ were jailed for 18 years.

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 The URL for the essay is

Since the longed-for Middle East War did not occur in June, 1967, one can safely assume that the American government and the Evangelicals used a lavish amount of Tide to clean their knickers so that they would be in perfect shape for the pissing and shitting that would come later.

On June 22, the New York Times ran an article by Charles M. Blow in regard to the elderly woman who was bullied on a school bus in upstate New York. Here are the first few paragraphs of his article.

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Bullies on the Bus

Published: June 22, 2012

 Making the Bus Monitor Cry.”

 That’s the name of the video. It’s more than 10 minutes long, but if you make it through more than three of them with your eyes not getting misty and your blood not boiling then you are a rock, or at least your heart is.

 The video shows Karen Klein, a 68-year-old grandmother and bus monitor in upstate New York, being relentlessly tormented by a group of young boys.

They hurl profanities. One asks for her address because he says he wants to go urinate on her door. Others are more explicit about defiling her.

 One boy tells her that she doesn’t have a family because “they all killed themselves because they didn’t want to be near you.” (Her eldest son committed suicide.)

 One suggests that if he were to stab her, his knife would go through her “like butter.”

 Since the video was posted to YouTube, there has been an outpouring of shock and outrage.

 An online campaign set up to raise $5,000 to send Klein on a vacation had raised more than $500,000 by midday Friday, Klein has made the media circuit recounting her ordeal and some of the children have apologized. [COMMENT: Only SOME have apologized. That is VERY telling.]

 But what, if anything, does this say about society at large? Many things one could argue, but, for me, it is a remarkably apt metaphor for this moment in the American discourse in which hostility has been drawn out into the sunlight.

 Those boys are us, or at least too many of us: America at its ugliest. It is that part of society that sees the weak and vulnerable as worthy of derision and animus.

 This kind of behavior is not isolated to children and school buses and suburban communities. It stretches to the upper reaches of society — our politics and our pulpits and our public squares.

 Whether it is a Republican debate audience booing a gay soldier or Rush Limbaugh’s vicious attack on a female Georgetown law student or Newt Gingrich’s salvos at the poor, bullying has become boilerplate. Hiss and taunt. Tease and intimidate. Target your enemies and torture them mercilessly. Maintain primacy through predation.

 Traditionally inferior identity roles are registered in a variety of ways. For Klein, she was elderly and female and not thin or rich. For others, it is skin color, country of origin, object of affection or some other accident of birth.

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My inferior identity role was and is my eyesight. My life’s dream was to be a teacher, but I quit teaching in the public schools because I got sick and tired of hearing that old song and dance “I don’t want my child to be in a classroom that is led by a teacher who can’t see.” I quit teaching altogether when the Fundie “high school” in Iowa held adherence to its belief system to be of far more importance than the practice of producing educated kids. I gave up on Evangelicalism because I got tired of daddies telling their fragile little girls that I was poison. I also got tired of the little girls treating me like I was white trash.

Carol had her inferior identity roles as well. When she was younger, she was overweight. Very pretty in the face, but still overweight. In California, her inferior identity role was that she was not born and raised Nazarene. Being tenth- or twelfth-generation Nazarene is EXTREMELY important in that particular denomination.

So now we have poor Karen Klein experiencing the United States as it is in reality. She was 68, so, unlike countries like China and Japan, she doesn’t account for much. While Asian countries love and honor the elderly, the United States trashes them and even wants to destroy them so that there will be more room and resources for the young.

I love watching old movie films on YouTube – the kind of movies we used to see when I was in school. These are educational and promotional films from the 40s and 50s. I was watching some that were produced by railroads, showing what it was like to travel by train on their lines. YouTube videos generally have a space for the viewers to leave comments. Here is a comment from one of the films.

“What a great time in American history. People werepolite and courteous to one another. Service on the trains like this was as good as a luxury hotel. This route the train took looks spectacular with the views and the old towns. Gee, where did we take a wrong turn and totally become a rude, greedy, and lower class of people then the ones that lived back then. What a shame. Would love to go back in time and live in these wonderful times! Thanks for posting this video!”

AmberWaves444 11 months ago 9

Amber Waves asked an absolutely glorious question: “Gee, where did we take a wrong turn and totally become a rude, greedy, and lower class of people then the ones that lived back then.” I am going to answer Amber’s question right now.

I believe that blame for the gross rudeness and meanness in this country at this time has to be laid at the feet of four men – Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Billy Graham.

Limbaugh needs to further explanation. If you listen to five minutes of his program – assuming that you can stand even that much of it – and if you factor in the number of people who put him on a higher pedestal than the one God is on, then one can easily see his part in the gross unpleasantness that is American society right now.

As for Jerry Falwell:  Christians are VERY fond of pushing “Jesus” as the “Great Example” of the love of God. When one considers how much of The Buddha’s teachings that “Jesus” appropriated for himself, one can see where that idea came from. As a minister of the gospel – giving him the benefit of the doubt – one would expect Falwell to trumpet “Jesus’” teachings from Dan to Beersheba. But if one actually listened to him, they would learn otherwise.

Back in 1985 or 1986, I was asked by a co-worker if Falwell believed in Jesus Christ. The lady said that she had listened to Falwell for a month, and she had not heard him even once make reference to Christ. I told her that I would watch him for a month and then answer her question. I actually watched him for two months, with the same results that the lady had. I heard tons of preaching about why the United States was the greatest country in the world – after Israel, that is – and why Ronald Reagan was the greatest man who ever lived. But not one word about Jesus Christ, the SUPPOSED Son of God. I told the lady that I saw no evidence of any kind that Falwell believed in Jesus Christ.

Pat Robertson is not hard to figure out. He is too busy talking about how he changed the course of that hurricane to talk about much else.

Billy Graham is also easy to figure out. He is so busy condemning “poor lost sinners” to Hell that he has little time or inclination to talk about the love of God.

There is a common thread here. These four people, who are in a position to exert much authority for the good in society, instead opt to work for the mean. Our society is in the mess that it is in because we are not taught or encouraged to seek the good. Our emphasis in this country now is “I’ve got mine; to Hell with you!!” This is apparent to one with a functioning brain who sees the three-ring circus going on in Congress – especially the House of Representatives – at this time.

So is there a solution? I believe there is – and it is not “Jesus,” since his followers are the cause of so much bad that is going on. I believe that the answer lies in the rising up of the Mainline Protestant Church – The United Methodist, the Lutheran, the PCUSA, the Disciples of Christ, and the Episcopal Church. I believe that the answer also lies in groups like the Deists and the Unitarian-Universalist Church. In short, we need to let go of the “Jesus” junk and all of the havoc that it has wreaked on society and study the teachings of The Buddha and the New Testament, in that order. We need to learn to treat each other with civility, and that cannot come from a person who practiced great INcivility in his life, to the point of calling those not of his race, “dogs.” We need to stop singing the stupid, moronic “God Bless America” and start asking God to TRY to make us better people and better examples of what belief in Him should be.

Like Amber Waves, I also lament that this country is only a shadow of what it once was. But like all optimists and all other worshipers of God, I believe that there is hope. If we can simply flush ‘Jesus” down the sewer into the cesspool where he belongs, we will have taken a tiny baby step in the right direction.

All of you have a great day.



June 25, 2012 - Posted by | Miscellaneous, Politics, Religion |

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